Agenda

Keyboard workshop: comments and steps forward
Chat log

08:28:35 ‹Marc› Good morning Erkki!
06/11/2007 08:28:55 ‹Erkki› Good morning, Marc!M
06/11/2007 08:30:37 ‹Marc› Let's still wait a second for Håvard and Mike to turn up
06/11/2007 08:30:53 ‹Erkki› I haven't received the dates nor the contact info from Gaid yet. Thus, I haven't circulated an updated draft.
06/11/2007 08:32:02 ‹Marc› probably we should give her a ring
06/11/2007 08:33:35 * Mike Pluke joins cdfg
06/11/2007 08:34:07 ‹Erkki› Good morning, Mike!
06/11/2007 08:34:13 ‹Mike Pluke› Hi
06/11/2007 08:35:25 ‹Marc› Hello Mike!
06/11/2007 08:35:43 ‹Marc› Håvard indicated that he'd likely be able to participate, but he isn't online yet
06/11/2007 08:35:54 ‹Marc› so let's start in any case
06/11/2007 08:37:14 ‹Marc› it seems we are still stuck with the contact points?
06/11/2007 08:38:01 ‹Marc› and, indeed, we should IMHO only list liasions where we are reasonably sure that they want to be liaised to
06/11/2007 08:38:38 * Havard joins cdfg
06/11/2007 08:38:41 ‹Erkki› Other than those and the dates, what do you think of the draft I sent out after the last chat?
06/11/2007 08:39:03 ‹Mike Pluke› Seemed good to me
06/11/2007 08:39:17 ‹Marc› Agreed (except for some minor formatting issues)
06/11/2007 08:40:11 ‹Marc› Hello Håvard!
06/11/2007 08:40:12 ‹Havard› Hi, I will be able to attend for a short while. I am at NEN, actually in a meeting. We are taking a short break.
06/11/2007 08:40:33 ‹Erkki› I planned to send the pre-draft to all potential liaisons so that they could decide on whether they want to be included.
06/11/2007 08:40:47 ‹Marc› good
06/11/2007 08:41:19 ‹Marc› if ANEC signs on, that'd also be good for the CDFG
06/11/2007 08:42:39 ‹Erkki› Anyway, I cannot really proceed without the dates and contact points from Gaid.
06/11/2007 08:43:12 ‹Marc› probably best to give her a ring and remind her of this
06/11/2007 08:43:23 ‹Erkki› Marc: We could look at the formatting issues, though.
06/11/2007 08:43:44 ‹Marc› yes.
06/11/2007 08:43:46 ‹Erkki› Marc: Will you give her a ring?
06/11/2007 08:44:03 ‹Marc› I can do that if you like
06/11/2007 08:44:17 ‹Erkki› Yes, please.
06/11/2007 08:44:23 ‹Marc› OK
06/11/2007 08:44:40 ‹Marc› as to the formatting issues
06/11/2007 08:45:32 ‹Marc› in my word version I don't see any lists (e. g. in section 6) and the second paragraph of section 3 is in a different font (Arial instead of Verdana)
06/11/2007 08:47:26 ‹Erkki› John had for some reason decided to get rid of the lists. I hadn't performed the harmonization of the fonts (as I said in my note), but will do.
06/11/2007 08:47:54 ‹Marc› OK. I'm pretty sure that John's getting rid of the lists wasn't intentional
06/11/2007 08:48:32 ‹Erkki› He hah had to do quite a lot of work in order to achieve that, though.
06/11/2007 08:48:55 ‹Marc› or something went wrong during the editing
06/11/2007 08:49:12 ‹Marc› there seems to me no rationale to remove the bullet points
06/11/2007 08:49:19 ‹Erkki› OK, I'll reintroduce the lists.
06/11/2007 08:49:28 ‹Marc› if there is, I don't mind, of course
06/11/2007 08:49:58 ‹Havard› But I have seen bullet lists in other BPs ...
06/11/2007 08:50:08 ‹Erkki› So have I.
06/11/2007 08:50:27 ‹Marc› OK, and I'll give Gaid a ring directly after the chat
06/11/2007 08:50:49 ‹Marc› so, let's do the formatting to our own liking
06/11/2007 08:50:55 ‹Havard› Isn't the main outstanding issue the thing about payment
06/11/2007 08:51:15 ‹Mike Pluke› How come John seems to have so much problem with formatting issues - does he use Word?
06/11/2007 08:51:34 ‹Marc› agreed, about the free availability of standards
06/11/2007 08:51:56 ‹Marc› Mike: don't know, but even in Word strange things happen
06/11/2007 08:51:57 ‹Erkki› Håvard: Yes, and there I'd like to hear what Gaid has now to say.
06/11/2007 08:52:02 ‹Havard› How&who decides?
06/11/2007 08:52:44 ‹Erkki› Gaid was the one who said that the subject could be brought up.
06/11/2007 08:53:29 ‹Marc› just to be clear: "the subject" is the free availability or some payment to the CEN secretariat?
06/11/2007 08:54:01 ‹Havard› How much would it be?
06/11/2007 08:54:37 ‹Erkki› Probably 15000 euros would suffice.
06/11/2007 08:54:46 ‹Mike Pluke› I was surprised aabout what Gaid said - but if it is OK to mention this then I suppose we should as we all believe that making availability free is important
06/11/2007 08:55:32 ‹Havard› I agree that free availability is important. So the question is how much does free cost ... ?
06/11/2007 08:55:58 ‹Havard› Would it be possible to raise 15000?
06/11/2007 08:56:24 ‹Marc› wasn't the fee calculated on a per participant basis?
06/11/2007 08:57:05 ‹Erkki› Marc: The 15000 is based on my discussion with John.
06/11/2007 08:57:20 ‹Marc› ok
06/11/2007 08:57:50 ‹Marc› still, Håvard is right: who would be willing to fund the EUR 15000?
06/11/2007 08:58:15 ‹Marc› it's not a showstopper, but it certainly would be strange not to have the CWA publicly available
06/11/2007 08:58:18 ‹Havard› So: option 1: get it for free -- who decides? Option 2: pay 15000; possible?
06/11/2007 08:58:45 ‹Erkki› We should ask for volunteer funding from industry and others in the kick-off meeting.
06/11/2007 08:59:24 ‹Erkki› If we don't get it, it won't be free.
06/11/2007 08:59:45 ‹Havard› OK or me
06/11/2007 08:59:54 ‹Havard› should be ok FOR me
06/11/2007 09:00:32 ‹Erkki› However, the open review and the results of the open meeting, i.e. the text of the CWA, are free by definition.
06/11/2007 09:00:43 ‹Marc› yes
06/11/2007 09:00:55 ‹Havard› I am sorry that I have to leave now. I need to go back to my meeting. Have a good continued chat. Please send me the log.
06/11/2007 09:01:48 ‹Mike Pluke› Bye
06/11/2007 09:01:56 ‹Marc› bye!
06/11/2007 09:02:01 ‹Erkki› Bye, Håvard!
06/11/2007 09:02:36 * Havard quit (timeout)
06/11/2007 09:02:41 ‹Marc› another point, Erkki: are we sure that there are no hidden costs, e. g. with the CEN central secretariat?
06/11/2007 09:02:58 ‹Mike Pluke› I understood that what we ideally hoped for was that the Commission might agree that it was important for the CWA to be free and to provide funding - albeit that this might be unlikely
06/11/2007 09:04:29 ‹Erkki› Marc: John said that the CEN Central secretariat receives a percentage of the participant's fees and that a percentage of nil is nil.
06/11/2007 09:05:20 ‹Marc› great
06/11/2007 09:05:36 ‹Marc› Mike: agreed, though indeed not terribly likely
06/11/2007 09:05:45 ‹Erkki› Mike: Yes, but we'll have to work on it before or after the kick-off meeting.
06/11/2007 09:06:29 ‹Marc› in any case we should go ahead and take our chances
06/11/2007 09:06:38 ‹Erkki› Agreed.
06/11/2007 09:06:54 ‹Marc› in the worst case, the very final version will not be publicly available
06/11/2007 09:07:00 ‹Mike Pluke› So if the Commission does not surprise us maybe we need to approach Microsoft - rumours are that they have a little money :-)
06/11/2007 09:08:04 ‹Marc› :-)
06/11/2007 09:08:07 ‹Erkki› As I said already, the final text will be freely available although not the final product.
06/11/2007 09:08:19 ‹Marc› agreed
06/11/2007 09:08:48 ‹Marc› so, it seems that everything is set for the keyboards except for the formatting and the information from Gaid
06/11/2007 09:09:08 ‹Erkki› I'd say so.
06/11/2007 09:09:38 ‹Erkki› Anything else?
06/11/2007 09:10:04 ‹Marc› the action items, our second topic for today, might make more sense to discuss when Håvard is online
06/11/2007 09:10:18 ‹Erkki› Yes.
06/11/2007 09:10:25 ‹Marc› hence, I'd suggest to postpone it again and take it in our next chat
06/11/2007 09:10:45 ‹Marc› except for that, nothing from my side
06/11/2007 09:10:57 ‹Erkki› Agreed! Thus, Bye for now!
06/11/2007 09:11:22 ‹Marc› Bye!